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Certain Figure Listings Are MIA ? Chinese Figure Discussion .Certain Figure Listings Are MIA ? Chinese Figure Discussion .

Certain figures are unfindable , seemingly .

It seems there was a profile for the figure : Shen Dai Meng Hua Tan BIBLE BULLET Nidhogg 1/8 Complete Figure and it is very strange that it seems to have been deleted .

While another such as : Kunrin no Sakai / Kakka 1/6 PVC , whom seem to have never gotten one . It seems quite strange and very unfortunate . There is a rule in the guidelines stating that goods either produced in Japan or items created with a Japanese license is allowed on the site . However products other items that would be concidered ‘anime goods’ with a none-Japanese origin (two figures listed above are common examples) are not . Express your thoughts and ideas bellow !

Edit : There seems to be a lot of good discussion going on in the comment section of this article . For those who have more information or would like to discuss the debate of Chinese figures feel free to comment bellow and have a chat ! It's very interesting hearing all of your thoughts on this subject !

Second Edit: Please refrain from unbecoming behaviour . Nasty attitude that goes beyond a discussion will be removed from this article entirely . There is a difference between namecalling or assuming another’s intent or ideology to further your idea without proof is not discussion and is only harmful and has no point than try and glorify a point that otherwise holds no weight . Healthy discussions are welcome , anything else is not acceptable . Thank you !

I have also added a poll to help conversation flow and to get a nice base idea of things !
878 hits • 23 comentarios

Should MFC allow anime themed products made in other countries documentable ?

  • 0%Yes , anything should be allowed !
  • 48%Yes , only if it is anime themed .
  • 17%Yes , only if it is a Japanese license .
  • 26%Yes , but only items made in the east .
  • 0%No , only items made in Japan should be allowed .
  • 4%No . Only items with a Japanese license made in the east should be allowed .
  • 4%No . Only Japanese licensed items made in Japan should be allowed .
  • 23 votosLos votos son públicos

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26pt
FenrirSnowcloak (hace 12 días) #61413302Very interesting ! I am a bit new to the site , I had no idea how against Chinese-based products the site seems to be - despite feeling comfortable releasing American licensed products (such as the Kotobukiya Horror Bishoujo series) . Very interesting , and the link to Kakka was very informative . Thank you so much for the feedback !

I suggest you read the rules and guidelines section. This site is not against products of any specific nationality. It just does not allow items from either non-japanese origins or non-japanese manufacturers.

F. ex.: If a chinese manufacturer produces a figure of a character from a japanese show, it could be added to the database. Same goes for a character from a chinese show made by a japanese company.

A figure of chinese origin both in regards to show and maker would not be allowed.

Kotobukiya is a japanese company. That's why their Marvel stuff is on here. Hot Toys produces Marvel products as well, yet those are not listed here since HT is a chinese company. They have made stuff with a japanese origin (I think), these should be on MFC.
hace 12 días
13pt
Just my small opinion:

I'd rather that MFC had a rule for "Asian origin" companies, than "Figures from Japanese series or Figures by Japanese manufacturers"

It feels a little... strange to allow certain companies just because they have 1 figure of Japanese origin on the site, or allow a figure from a Western IP just because it was made by a Japanese company, but then totally exclude figures by other Asian figure companies.

I get it to some degree though, but it still feels weird when you have such a huge amount of figures from Western IP's, Star Wars, Marvel, etc, and non of them have any relation at all to the anime figure style, or any other Japanese figure style, but then exclude figures from Myethos as an example, who fit seamlessly into the "anime" style, just because they aren't specifically Japanese.
It'd make more sense to exclude Western IP's, I think.
View spoilerHide spoiler(I guess it's also bc most figures are Made in China anyway, so it always feels a little weird... but that's just me.)
hace 11 días
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2pt
Im so tired of this discussion........
hace 10 días
1pt
indian_summer22 (hace 11 días) #61485230Or maybe you guys are just way too entitled? A database needs to have limitations to be manageable. It does not have 'to enhance your experience'. Its a source of information, not an amusement parc.
I politely ask you to stop using Caps when replying to people. Its incredibly rude. Even more so since I was not stating my opinion at all, but simply reiterating the rules.
This was opened to create a healthy discussion , not to name call and to assume what others are thinking to benefit your own points . I ask kindly that if you wish to continue commenting on this article that you keep it classy . Thank you !
hace 11 días
8pt
hitagicrab27 Filthy Casual ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
darkfroggy (hace 11 días) #61486746--snip--
Simply put, this site doesn't have the manpower, nor the willpower, to cover a whole continent's idea of what "goods" are.

Hire people? That's not a suggestion you could just throw around. Who do you hire? Who's going to go out of their way to curate tens and thousands of items, most of which are probably on the deeper end of the information spectrum (aka the "barely any tangible info" area)?

Limiting submissions to be Japanese-centric is the easiest way to do it. So what if there's a bias? In the first place, the most common reason why somebody would wind up sticking to this site is because they wanted to get into anime figure collecting. Are you gonna tell me a Matryoshka doll set is what brought you to and kept you in this site?

I'm sorry to say this, but you're asking for too much.
hace 11 días
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indian_summer22 (hace 11 días) #61485230Or maybe you guys are just way to entitled? A database needs too have limitations to be manageable. It does not have 'to enhance your experience'. Its a source of information, not an amusement parc.
I politely ask you to stop using Caps when replying to people. Its incredibly rude. Even more so since I was not stating my opinion at all, but simply reiterating the rules.


I'm sorry, what? Entitled for asking why things are X?
You weren't simply restating the rules; you were giving a value judgment. That the rules were not showing "favoritism" or "bias" toward one side."

I've demonstrably proven that notion of thinking as false, as can be seen in the example that Kotobukiya can have ANYTHING listed by virtue of being "Japanese." If that's not "showing favoritism" toward the Japanese, then sure, spin it however you want. Kotobukiya could start selling blocks of wood and that would be perfectly fine under the current guidelines, do you not see a problem with this?

You can't call people out for being "rude," and then start putting words in others' mouths. If by "improving experience," you mean improving the function of this site to be a legitimate repository of anime figure information, then yes I want it improved. But I do like how you framed it as an "amusement park," like we're all spoiled children... no we're just offering feedback and suggestions like adults. I've donated quite a bit to the site myself, so I do think I'm entitled to at least an OPINION of things.

Anyway, according to the current rules, it must pass through "Nippon hands" in order to be considered a "legitimate anime figure," when even the Japanese don't have that high of a standard! Hell, even AmiAmi lists Chinese figures under the title "Anime Figures!"

Also, "too much work" is an excuse not to do things now? We shouldn't ask for things to be improved because "it's too much work?" If there's "too much work," then why are we even accepting submissions from EVERYTHING that comes from a Japanese brand? Western cars have nothing to do with "anime figures," yet they still deserve an entry over legitimately anime-looking characters. All because the manufacturer happened to be... located in Japan. Most collectors couldn't care less WHO made their figures as long as it was good quality and legitimate, which brands like Hobby Max are.

WESTERN CAR MODELS, which aren't even anime figures, are covered under the rules, while Azur Lane (which most people consider "Japanese") figures produced under a Chinese brand are absolute no-go zones. This is silly and a double-standard like this shouldn't exist.

You realize that this "overload" of work is caused by the site owner neglecting to hire basically any new admins since forever and shutting down all suggestions (and not even fixing the disaster caused by V4). Also, realize that you can make unlimited submissions for anything under a Japanese brand, but only moderators can deny or vet bad submissions. Perhaps the first thing to do would be... to stop unlimited submissions and... maybe hire some new moderators once in a blue moon? Databases like this will ALWAYS need hands helping... that's like asking not to put any more Wikipedia entries because they're "swamped with them." This issue of "bad submissions/overwork," isn't even known to most users... because literally no one knows what's going on with this site anymore. It's not being updated besides submissions. I'm sure plenty of qualified people WOULD help if that had an inkling of an idea what was going on... but does the admin even frequent the site anymore? The suggestions/feedback board is basically a twilight zone.

But I do love how you think people are ignorant of the rules. We know what the rules are, we're just questioning their usefulness. The point is not that the rules are being inconsistently applied, it is that the rules are contradictory to the purpose of having an "anime figure database." Anime has long ceased to be a Japanese-only phenomenon, unless you want to be the sort of folk that claim "Girls Frontline" isn't anime and shouldn't be listed because "not Japanese!" This despite the fact that Girls Frontline and Azur Lane sell far, far better in Japan and are marketed way more heavily there than any other regions.

You may call me rude for using caps (?), but the same can also be said for you. It's quite condescending to talk to someone like they don't know the rules.
hace 11 días
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hitagicrab27 Filthy Casual ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
indian_summer22 (hace 11 días) #61485230A database needs too have limitations to be manageable. It does not have 'to enhance your experience'. Its a source of information, not an amusement parc.

This. I think some of you are forgetting that the database is user-defined. Do you know how wide of a scope it is if you include anything of Chinese origin, let alone an entire continent?
hace 11 días
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darkfroggy (hace 11 días) #61483630Except that is precisely what it is. ALL products that aren't Japanese-origin or have Japanese makers are automatically excluded. Let's not sugar-coat what the policy actually is: a ban on anything is not Japanese in origin or manufacturer. In effect, "JP-onry."
Given the millenia of cultural exchange between China and Japan, it's downright silly to exclude Chinese products (especially LEGITIMATE, copyright-holding PRODUCERS like HobbyMax and MyEthos). Japan has been taking ideas, language, and culture from China ever since its existence. As a result, Chinese heritage has become very much a part of Japanese heritage. Some of Japan's most FAMOUS ANIME artists are from CHINA. Based on this sites' rules, none of their merchandise would be eligible to be listed here if the manufacturer was Chinese, EVEN IF EVERY STORE IN JAPAN HELD THEIR STOCK! Keep in mind that no one is asking for random backyard manufacturers to be included, but major manufacturers, especially those that have product sold IN JAPANESE STORES, should have entries.
Rules should exist to provide value and enhance the user experience. They should not be a stick to wave around and shout "not allowed, not allowed!" Because that's how you get an authoritarian and very inflexible community that... doesn't grow. It's also no surprise that MFC has absolutely stagnated over the past few years, with no new updates or developments.
My question is this:
Explain why a western, far-from-anime IP like Star Wars is allowed but Myethos figures (which are entirely in the anime aesthetic) are banned from submission? The fact that MyEthos figures can be conflated with your typical "Japanese anime figures" speaks volumes about its worthiness for inclusion.
The fact of the matter is, the site is governed by ancient rules and the admins haven't exactly been keeping this site up-to-date. The site is still horribly broken, and V4 is still very bad and (seen by many) as a considerate downgrade from its predecessor V3, YEARS after its implementation. We still... don't have the very basic ability to search by title, and have to use an awful tags system (which is incredibly unwiedly to use, sometimes).


Or maybe you guys are just way too entitled? A database needs to have limitations to be manageable. It does not have 'to enhance your experience'. Its a source of information, not an amusement parc.

I politely ask you to stop using Caps when replying to people. Its incredibly rude. Even more so since I was not stating my opinion at all, but simply reiterating the rules.
hace 11 días
-6pt
indian_summer22 (hace 12 días) #61422397I suggest you read the rules and guidelines section. This site is not against products of any specific nationality. It just does not allow items from either non-japanese origins or non-japanese manufacturers.
F. ex.: If a chinese manufacturer produces a figure of a character from a japanese show, it could be added to the database. Same goes for a character from a chinese show made by a japanese company.
A figure of chinese origin both in regards to show and maker would not be allowed.
Kotobukiya is a japanese company. That's why their Marvel stuff is on here. Hot Toys produces Marvel products as well, yet those are not listed here since HT is a chinese company. They have made stuff with a japanese origin (I think), these should be on MFC.


Except that is precisely what it is. ALL products that aren't Japanese-origin or have Japanese makers are automatically excluded. Let's not sugar-coat what the policy actually is: a ban on anything is not Japanese in origin or manufacturer. In effect, "JP-onry."

Given the millenia of cultural exchange between China and Japan, it's downright silly to exclude Chinese products (especially LEGITIMATE, copyright-holding PRODUCERS like HobbyMax and MyEthos). Japan has been taking ideas, language, and culture from China ever since its existence. As a result, Chinese heritage has become very much a part of Japanese heritage. Some of Japan's most FAMOUS ANIME artists are from CHINA. Based on this sites' rules, none of their merchandise would be eligible to be listed here if the manufacturer was Chinese, EVEN IF EVERY STORE IN JAPAN HELD THEIR STOCK! Keep in mind that no one is asking for random backyard manufacturers to be included, but major manufacturers, especially those that have product sold IN JAPANESE STORES, should have entries.

Rules should exist to provide value and enhance the user experience. They should not be a stick to wave around and shout "not allowed, not allowed!" Because that's how you get an authoritarian and very inflexible community that... doesn't grow. It's also no surprise that MFC has absolutely stagnated over the past few years, with no new updates or developments.

My question is this:
Explain why a western, far-from-anime IP like Star Wars is allowed but Myethos figures (which are entirely in the anime aesthetic) are banned from submission? The fact that MyEthos figures can be conflated with your typical "Japanese anime figures" speaks volumes about its worthiness for inclusion.

The fact of the matter is, the site is governed by ancient rules and the admins haven't exactly been keeping this site up-to-date. The site is still horribly broken, and V4 is still very bad and (seen by many) as a considerate downgrade from its predecessor V3, YEARS after its implementation. We still... don't have the very basic ability to search by title, and have to use an awful tags system (which is incredibly unwiedly to use, sometimes).
hace 11 días
4pt
Iskana (hace 11 días) #61474711Just my small opinion:
I'd rather that MFC had a rule for "Asian origin" companies, than "Figures from Japanese series or Figures by Japanese manufacturers"
It feels a little... strange to allow certain companies just because they have 1 figure of Japanese origin on the site, or allow a figure from a Western IP just because it was made by a Japanese company, but then totally exclude figures by other Asian figure companies.
I get it to some degree though, but it still feels weird when you have such a huge amount of figures from Western IP's, Star Wars, Marvel, etc, and non of them have any relation at all to the anime figure style, or any other Japanese figure style, but then exclude figures from Myethos as an example, who fit seamlessly into the "anime" style, just because they aren't specifically Japanese.
It'd make more sense to exclude Western IP's, I think.
View spoilerHide spoiler(I guess it's also bc most figures are Made in China anyway, so it always feels a little weird... but that's just me.)
I agree 100% with this . Asian origin figures would make everything a lot easier to handle , and would avoid the massive flooding of American action figures that would crowd the site and allow for all anime-styled figures to stay on the site .
hace 11 días
4pt
Rajke (hace 12 días) #61454353...
If i remember correctly there is also a rule about a minimum quantity that has to be on sale. I could be wrong about that rule.


No. Even if there's only 1 for sale if it's for proper sale and not just custom-made it's ok
hace 11 días
4pt
I was just thinking about this as well since I saw that this alert is still open: alert/57088. I think in certain cases it makes sense to make a rule exception, since it would be a pain trying to go between different sites just to find the Nendoroids that were manufactured in China. It's way easier for me to have all the Nendos I'm looking for in one place if I'm either trying to keep an eye on release dates, or list them for mixing and matching parts.
hace 11 días
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